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PostPosted: Mon Feb 01, 2010 6:11 pm    Post subject: A refinement of the Kosman Scale Reply with quote

Hello fellow Leaguers:

In thinking about my upcoming MiniLeagues, and in looking at some of the descriptions made by recent authors, it strikes me that an addendum to or refinement of the excellent Kosman scale might be worthwhile.

While the binary Type A/Type B distinction has been and will continue to be very helpful, we've already begun using A- and B+ to create shades of nuance, and I suspect it won't belong before someone tries A-- or B++. I nearly did so myself, in fact.

I also think that by focusing on one subject, MiniLeagues naturally become harder than a regular LL season, however gently the author tries to present them. I hope that this rating system allows for some consideration of this fact as well.

What I propose is not meant to replace the Kosman scale, but simply to provide another way to talk about the difficulty level of a MiniLeague. And so I present the MPAA (MiniLeague Predictive Analysis Assessment) system:

G (General Audiences): This is a Mini whose questions fall into the same broad category and difficulty base as a regular LL season. The recent 1999 ML is an example of this type; while there may have been some raised difficulty for players not alive (or not conscious) during 1999, the material covered the same territory as an ordinary LL, at roughly the same difficulty. (I am making one assumption here: that there are no MLs that will be easier than a regular LL season!)

PG (Pretty General): Akin to the Type B ML on the Kosman Scale, this is a MiniLeague whose content, while honed by a particular category, is designed to be accessible to the broad range of solvers. The harder questions will favor those with expertise in the ML category, but the easy-to-middle questions are targeted at the generalist. Games and Puzzles I think would get this rating.

PG-13 (Pretty General, but Unlucky for some): Intended for generalists, but with a harder edge than a PG mini. JI:Portraits might fall here, since even though the content was broad-based, the format - identifying faces - might have made it particularly hard for some players.

R (Restricted): Either by design, or because the category is outside the realm of most generalists, this type of ML will be challenging to those who don't have some knowledge of the subject. Opera and JI:Literature are examples of this type.

X (Experts Only): This is a full-on Kosman Type A, and non-aficionados are warned to tread carefully. If this isn't your subject, you're going to find even the easy questions challenging. I think India belonged in this category, and the Commissioner's upcoming JI:Sports MiniLeague appears to be rated X as well.

As always, what the author thinks and what his audience thinks might be quite different, but this at least allows some finer gradations up front.

Any thoughts?

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PostPosted: Mon Feb 01, 2010 8:38 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Don't forget:

NC-17: Anything wholly inappropriate for the younger Leaguers, such as 1950s Classic TV. Yes, pink category in the original Trivial Pursuit, I'm looking at you.


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PostPosted: Mon Feb 01, 2010 8:41 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

SternT wrote:
Don't forget:

NC-17: Anything wholly inappropriate for the younger Leaguers, such as 1950s Classic TV. Yes, pink category in the original Trivial Pursuit, I'm looking at you.


You're just still pissed since mom and dad rode that streak of Pink rolls to beat us in TP that time.

(for the record, I am also still pissed about that)




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PostPosted: Mon Feb 01, 2010 8:42 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I agree that there is a necessity for further refining of the levels of difficulty, and I like your proposed scale. It's easily understood, the criteria are well defined, and it's witty without distracting from the usefulness of the scale.


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PostPosted: Mon Feb 01, 2010 10:15 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

moonshine wrote:
I agree that there is a necessity for further refining of the levels of difficulty, and I like your proposed scale. It's easily understood, the criteria are well defined, and it's witty without distracting from the usefulness of the scale.


I knew there was a reason I liked moonshine better than the Warring Stern Brothers.

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PostPosted: Tue Feb 02, 2010 1:30 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Well done. Mr. Pliska's efforts here notwithstanding, I hereby dub this the Modified Kosman Scale (or ModKos for short).



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PostPosted: Tue Feb 02, 2010 7:12 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Commissioner Integrity wrote:
Well done. Mr. Pliska's efforts here notwithstanding, I hereby dub this the Modified Kosman Scale (or ModKos for short).


Is this the proper usage?

"I was going to do Just Images: Ishtar because it was billed as a ModKos PG, but I have a feeling it's an R in disguise.

Plus, how many times am I going to beat my brother? I don't want this year's seder to be awkward."

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PostPosted: Tue Feb 02, 2010 11:46 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Would it be appropriate for authors to submit their ModKos rating when their idea for a ML is accepted by the Commish? Also, assuming we have this information, can a column be added to the ML sidebar on the home page to indicate each ML's rating (as determined by the authors)?

Also, any way to see the players signed up for a particular ML as they sign up? This would accomplish two things: (A) I'd get to remember which ones I signed up for and (2) everyone would get to see the competition before a ML starts (this might also have the ancillary effect of evening out the number of players, as some players who might think they'll do poorly based on what they predict will be the field size may decide otherwise based on what they see.)


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PostPosted: Tue Feb 02, 2010 5:19 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

SternT wrote:


Is this the proper usage?

"I was going to do Just Images: Ishtar because it was billed as a ModKos PG, but I have a feeling it's an R in disguise.



I like the idea of letting the language evolve, and settle into a commonly accepted usage.

However, were I using it today, I might be more inclined to say:

"I was going to do Just Images: Ishtar because it was billed as a PG on the ModKos, but I have a feeling it's an R in disguise."

Stating the full name of it also has a certain appeal:

"I was going to do Just Images: Ishtar because it was billed as a PG on the Modified Kosman, but I have a feeling it's an R in disguise."



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PostPosted: Tue Feb 02, 2010 5:32 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

JastrzebskiS wrote:
Would it be appropriate for authors to submit their ModKos rating when their idea for a ML is accepted by the Commish? Also, assuming we have this information, can a column be added to the ML sidebar on the home page to indicate each ML's rating (as determined by the authors)?


I heartily encourage MiniLeague authors to smith a blurb for their mini registration page, and including the mini's Modified Kosman rating would be a valuable bit of info to include.

And I love the idea of adding a ModKos rating column in the upcoming contests section for MiniLeagues. This would necessarily require, of course, the author to declare the ModKos up front, at the time of acceptance by the league.

(Note I'm working the new term here, to see how it fits. I'm liking it.)

JastrzebskiS wrote:
Also, any way to see the players signed up for a particular ML as they sign up? This would accomplish two things: (A) I'd get to remember which ones I signed up for and (2) everyone would get to see the competition before a ML starts (this might also have the ancillary effect of evening out the number of players, as some players who might think they'll do poorly based on what they predict will be the field size may decide otherwise based on what they see.)


As for this, it's a bit tricky. It would require the system to have the intelligence to determine when a person was registering more than once, or was not actually eligible, or not actually a person (all three occur). The system possesses no such intelligence today.

But I would be in favor of your (A): listing -- on your profile page, say -- all of the future MiniLeagues you're signed up for. That's an obvious good. I may be able to jury-rig this today, though it would not be real-time.

As for your (2), this may have unintended consequences. I don't fancy the idea of players not signing up for a contest because of who might or might not be playing. And it might also promote a flurry of last-minute signups as a regular occurrence, which makes planning harder.



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PostPosted: Tue Feb 02, 2010 7:21 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Commissioner Integrity wrote:
I don't fancy the idea of players not signing up for a contest because of who might or might not be playing.


FWIW, I agree. And the truth is, with the exception of the Superhumans whose names are all over the LL Home Page, we all are playing for the hell of it, not because we plan to be the Champion on a regular basis. (Saha, of course, should replace "all are" with "are not" and "not" with "but" in that last clause.)

IMO, the best reason to sign up for a MiniLeague is because you liked something that same author did earlier. This has held true for the first few days of British Monarchy, a subject about which I know relatively little, but Opera was so much fun that it was worth it to happily crash-and-burn, should that happen. And KaleV's nifty JI:Lit is what got me to join Journo.

Similarly, I am ready to do The Early Trainers of the WWF, JI:Cuneiform, and Kyrgyzstan if ShapiroA writes them.

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PostPosted: Tue Feb 02, 2010 11:22 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

ModKos? No, no. Surely it's Kosmalogy.


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PostPosted: Wed Feb 03, 2010 5:31 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I see your point about the unintended consequences. Some of that could be alleviated by closing registration earlier (say, a week before), but the point is well taken nonetheless.

I, too, am with Mr. Pliska -- I'm going to sign up because I like a topic and have time to give it a reasonable go, not because of the competition (or lack thereof). But it seemed to me that some people -- especially those who have never won an award or a mini before -- might want to know what their chances were, based somewhat on field size and strength.


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